David Bushman

Curator, Television

November 16, 2011

"Archer" at The Paley Center: "Danger Zone" Is Right

by David Bushman

What goes through a curator's mind as a brilliant but highly subversive moderator is essentially hijacking a panel discussion he had spent nearly a year trying to put together?

A little panic and a lot of joy, as it turns out.

Let me explain: On Saturday, in partnership with the New York Comedy Festival, the Paley Center presented a panel with the cast and creator of Archer, the peerlessly twisted (and I mean that in a good way) animated spy show on FX. The panel included Adam Reed, the creator of the show, plus three members of the voice cast: H. Jon Benjamin, Chris Parnell, and Amber Nash.

We had first approached FX VP John Solberg about an Archer panel a full year ago, during the 2010 comedy festival, when John was in town for our tribute to Louis C.K.  John was enthusiastic from the start, but that was no guarantee we could pull it off—schedules had to be arranged, and certain people had to be flown to New York from Atlanta or LA.

Miracle worker that he is, John delivered. Reed—without whom there would be no panel—was the first to confirm. The second huge "get" was Benjamin, who voices the title character and is a titan in the alternative comedy scene in New York. Parnell (a Saturday Night Live alum who also portrays Dr. Leo Spaceman on 30 Rock) and Nash followed.

All we needed now was a moderator. Arthur Smith, a member of the Paley Center curatorial team, ingeniously suggested David Cross, a brilliant comedian in his own right (Arrested Development, Mr. Show with Bob and David, The Ben Stiller Show), but also a long-time friend and collaborator of Benjamin's. Benjamin asked; Cross accepted. We, of course, were thrilled by this stroke of good fortune.

In seventeen years at the Paley Center, I've never experienced anything like the event Cross moderated on Saturday. First, the good news: it was totally hilarious. Now, the less-good news: it had almost nothing to do with Archer. Rather, Cross led us all on a surreal, far-reaching journey encompassing everything from Sharkey's Machine to barbecue restaurants to Atlanta high schools to Occupy Wall Street to Centrum vitamins to the terrorist attacks of 9/11. His first question—about an Arrested Development reunion—was for Jessica Walters, admittedly an Archer cast member, but, alas, not one who was present (this was after he had called for a clip from Parnell's new show, Suburgatory, which was not only off-topic but also off-agenda, as we had no clips from that show). Sample conversation:

David: "Jon, take me through a typical day for H. Jon Benjamin on 9/11."

Jon:  "I slept ‘til like 5:30 p.m., so I missed the whole thing. And then like I went to a bar. And, uh, everyone was like completely bummed out."

David: "Everyone? It seems like a broad generalization, Jon."

Jon: "Well, I didn't meet anybody who was happy about it."

Adam: "I think part of that is you give off sort of a negative vibe, though."

I should mention here that Benjamin, having walked out of the theater in mock boredom no more than fifteen minutes into the discussion, wasn't even on stage for this exchange, participating instead as a disembodied voice emanating from our control room (perfectly fitting of course for a man whose bread and butter is voice acting). Benjamin did eventually return, but only momentarily, to pick up his jacket, before exiting again, this time followed out the door by Cross, leaving Reed, Parnell, and Nash alone onstage for a few awkward moments before Cross and Benjamin finally reappeared.

   


The audience Q&A segment was equally deranged, with Cross insisting that anyone wanting to ask a question had to first whisper the following information to a Paley Center usher, who would then relay it to the panel: name, high school, question, and favorite pig-out food. One particularly valiant woman—who certainly won my admiration—refused to play along, as she persisted in inquiring directly of Reed whether Archer's season-two DVD would include any special features; she wound up in a "shouting match" (all very good-natured, judging by the video) with Cross, who "scolded" her thusly: "I'm sorry, I don't want some crazy Upper East Side New York literary Jewess yelling at me about her vagina, all right? That's not why we're here. We're here to have a good time."

In the end, Cross was exactly right: we were here to have a good time. My sense is—and the Twitter feeds seemed to confirm it—most people did. I think it is an event people will be talking about for a long time.

And I mean that in a good way.  

 

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  • Michael, very good question as to how this changes our thinking about moderators, if at all. Despite Joep's post, most of the people I've heard from either virtually or actually believe the event was a huge success, so I'm still under the belief that Cross was a very inspired choice for this particular event. Every event is different, of course, and it is always a challenge to match the right moderator to the right panel. Choosing moderators is something we take very seriously and give long and hard thought to, always in collaboration with our partners when we are co-presenting events.


    David, November 20, 2011 at 7:15 am

  • David, considering Adam Reed's work such as the entertaining things he did to Hanna Barbera "Sealab 2020," my guess is he had a good time.

    If you were to pick a series salute for this to happen "Archer" would be among the best to choose. Reed's work has never taken itself too seriously.

    Since this was "Archer's" second salute and the series has all ready had its night of honor, having the night collapse into parody (something Reed is guilty of in his shows) is more acceptable, almost expected. Thou, I still would have been disappointed.

    How will this change your thinking in selecting a moderator?


    michael42, November 19, 2011 at 1:12 pm

  • Michael, I should add that whether Adam Reed was enjoying himself or not, he was at least being a good sport about it, because he certainly seemed to be having a good time (as you can see from the picture above) and totally went with the flow. He was quick and funny and charming and a great panelist even under the circumstances, as were Chris Parnell, Amber Nash, and H. Jon Benjamin.


    David, November 18, 2011 at 2:26 pm

  • Michael, thanks for your comment. I don't have the answer to your question about how Adam Reed felt about the event -- or any of the other panelists, for that matter. I too would be curious to know. I do know that Reed is a big enough fan of Corss's to have hired him to work on "Archer," so I'm sure he had some idea of what to expect. As I mention in my post, Benjamin and Cross are long-time friends and colleagues with somewhat similar comedic sensibilities, so I'm sure Jon wasn't completely taken by surprise either. I think you can argue that different kinds of events benefit most from different kinds of moderators. Whether or not David Cross was the right moderator for "Archer" is, I think, a question we can argue about forever, without ever coming to a definitive conclusion. It certainly was an unforgettable afternoon, though. Unfortunately, we have no plans at the moment for another "Archer" panel. We've now done the show in NY and LA, and I think it will be a while before we consider it again. "Archer" returns to FX with new episodes in Janaury, and I hope everyone tunes in. It is an exceptional show.


    David, November 18, 2011 at 2:15 pm

  • Are there any plans to make another attempt to do a panel about the TV series Archer?

    I was not at the event but have been to many Paley Center salutes in the past. I would have been unhappy if I had come to learn more about a TV series and got an unrelated comic skit. I also would be upset if I had paid to see David Cross comedy and got a discussion of Archer.

    I wonder how Adam Reed feels about Archer's night. All of it sounds so disrespectful to those being honored. Though, considering the series style I doubt Reed was offended. 

    David, as you mentioned, you have to re-examine the role of moderator and the role of these salutes. Short term the Archer night sounds like a success, but long term I wonder.


    michael42, November 18, 2011 at 1:50 pm

  • Joep, I certainly respect your opinion and appreciate your comments. Everything you say is fair and makes perfect sense.  Your description of the event as a David Cross skit is spot-on. It was more like a parody of a panel discussion than an actual, traditional panel discussion. I too am a huge Archer fan, and as we both state, this event had very little to do with the show in any conventional sense. Personally, I was able to get beyond that and eventually enjoy the event for what it turned out to be, though not without a fair amount of anxiety along the way. I would really, really love to hear from more people who attended. Ultimately what matters most for us is delivering for our audience.


    David, November 17, 2011 at 4:52 pm

  • I laughed, I cried (from laughter), but was still disappointed.

    I like David Cross.  I own most of his albums, and have watched a significant number of the shows he's been a part of.  What happened on Saturday, was what was bound to happen by putting him in charge of a panel.  

    It WASN'T an Archer panel.  

    It was a David Cross skit featuring (not starring) the creator and actors of Archer.  It was funny, but I didn't spend my money for an unreleased episode of Mr. Show.  (By the way, I WOULD pay money for tickets to that too.)

    I bought tickets for this months ago before the guests or moderator were even announced.  I bought my tickets because I'm a fan of Archer and was hoping to learn something more about it.  I've been to other events at the Paley Center, including the Louis CK one mentioned in the article.  I've come to a understanding as to what the level of your events rise to.  The event missed the mark.  But I don't blame it on David Cross.

    Also maybe your sense, and the twitter feeds you were watching backed up your stance on this issue… But I found the exact opposite to be true of comments I heard while exiting all the way out to the street and people I follow on Twitter who were in attendance.

    Still, the preview of the Burt Reynolds episode from next season was great.  Did you even mention that?


    joep, November 17, 2011 at 3:40 pm

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David Bushman

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Before joining the Paley Center in 1992, David Bushman was senior television editor of Daily Variety in Los Angeles and weekly Variety in New York. He also served as director of programming at TV Land from 1997 to 1998. He has taught and lectured on TV at numerous institutions, but on only one continent. He may be the only person in the world pining for an E-Z Streets reunion.

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Noir, Fantasy Baseball, The Pogues, Soccer, Running

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